Showing posts with label Greek myth. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Greek myth. Show all posts

Tuesday, February 24, 2026

Where Achilles Loses It

The Iliad Translated by Samuel ButlerThe Iliad Translated by Samuel Butler by Homer
My rating: 3 of 5 stars

(As always, I'm ranking this work of literature by how much I enjoyed reading it, how much fun it was, how interesting I found it. I am not gauging it's worth--I don't know how to do that. Not gonna try.)

My review of the Iliad: I liked it some. It's okay.

I don't remember if I've read it all the way through before, though I've definitely read big chunks at different times. I got this new hardcover version of an old (1898) translation as a gift, and though I may still read one of the new translations sometime, I decided to start here.

I thought it was not too bad--speaking both of the original work and the English translation. My least favorite part of the translation was that he used the names of the Roman gods instead of Greek--Jove, not Zeus; Minerva, not Athena; Juno, not Hera; and so on. Apollo was still Apollo.

I kinda forgot how narrow the story was. This takes us from Achilles deciding not to fight anymore to Hector's funeral (sorry! Spoilers!). The origins of the war and the first 9 years are skipped over; the end of the war isn't reached. What we do have is a lot of fighting and arguing, and naming of men as they die and which gruesome way it comes to them.

The parts I found most interesting were the places where they talked about the allies that came from this region or that city, on both sides of the war, and when they referred to towns and cities taken by the Achaeans before reaching Troy and the events of those campaigns. (The woman Briseis was was taken as a prize of war in one of those earlier fights, as were many slaves and treasures.) To be honest, it's this background stuff and the everyday life of the region I'm most interested in, like how much they knew about other lands, how much they traded with neighbors, what languages were spoken nearby, how the societies were set up, things like that, and in the midst of this war story we get some clues.

As far as storytelling and modern expectations, where we look for tension and a conflict that the main character tries to work through, where they succeed or fail on their merits, the Iliad is disappointing. This is largely due to the years separating them from us, and part of the issue is that they have different literary expectations. For example, it's clear that a lot of the background would be well-known to ancient listeners long before they heard any of the Iliad. Many of the characters that we barely get to know or know only by name could be heroes in other stories that Homer's audiences already loved, like Spiderman showing up in an Avengers movie. We don't have their background knowledge, so any pleasure we should have taken from that name-dropping goes whoosh over my head. And back then they might have been cool with all of the Olympian meddling going on, but I hated that. The gods move people around, deciding who wins today and who wins tomorrow, who lives and dies, so that striving makes no difference. Intention, bravery, effort all become pointless as far as storytelling goes if the gods are deciding everything. In a way, the story that matters is just what falls in the cracks between the interventions of the gods.

Priam begging Achilles to return his son's body to him is the most human and entertaining (IMO) part of the story. Even this was preordained, but at least their conversation is in their own words, and it's very dramatic and sad. That scene was probably the most similar to modern literature you could find in the whole epic, and it was the one that worked best for me.

I found things to entertain me in this, and some parts of it are straight up engaging on their own. Lots of it is less fun, tbh, but anybody picking up an ancient piece of literature expects that.

My recommendation? If you think you might want to read this, look for one of the new translations. You may enjoy it.

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Friday, October 3, 2025

Where Jason Gets Everyone Else to Steal the Golden Fleece

The Voyage of ArgoThe Voyage of Argo by Apollonius of Rhodes
My rating: 3 of 5 stars

Like a lot of ancient books, this is more interesting as a cultural artifact or as a historical curiosity than as a fun rainy-day read. It's fairly interesting; it connects things you know from one place to things you know from another; it's an education on ancient Greek customs; and it's a box to check on the big Literature Checklist in my imagination.

I don't mind the style. I feel like the author, Apollonius of Rhodes, reads more modern than many ancient authors (though that could be due to the translation). He gives us a complete picture of action, dialogue, and inner thoughts and states, keeping these in better balance than I would have expected had I given it any thought. He keeps the plot moving forward while giving us a pretty good idea of what the main characters are feeling. The story isn't that great; it's primarily a bunch of dudes nearly getting killed as they try to steal a prized item, but they survive and succeed in their caper by getting helped out time and time again by the gods, by nymphs, by allies, and by anyone but themselves. It's deus ex machina all over the place.

But it comes from myth, and myths don't follow the rules of fiction.

Anyway, this is modestly entertaining and reasonably worth the effort it take to read it. It's not all that long or difficult. It ends with Jason returning home, before he betrays Medea and she kills their children. Maybe that all happens in the sequel.......

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